Curse

Slavik81 · Jul 12, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Shame on you, NCsoft. Shame on you. I've read your rationalization for giving only 2 extra character slots to linked accounts and I must say I'm VASTLY disappointed in you as a company. This is exactly the opposite of what I would expect from the people who brought us Guild Wars.

The idea of giving only two extra character slots to players who own the original Guild Wars PUNISHES those customers who have been loyal to the game and to the company. You give more spaces to those who do not already own the original game. Is this not exactly the OPPOSITE of what you want to encourage? To reduce the value of buying the expansions? And for something as rediculously minor as a pair of character spaces you would normally get with the game?

Factions has GREATLY decreased in value in my eyes. I was going to buy 2 copies of Factions (for my 2 Guild Wars accounts) and encourage all my friends who I convinced to buy Guild Wars to buy Factions, but now I can't support that.

This is not the sort of thing I expect from a company that's done so much good for the community as NCsoft. I'm sending emails to the IGN, Gamespot, 1UP, EGM, PCgamer, and CGW podcasts, as well as posting on their forums about this.

You still have time to fix this issue on an otherwise excellent game. I sincerly hope that you can fix it in a reasonable amount of time. Hell, think of all the good PR and news on game sites you'd get for giving all people with linked Factions and Guild Wars two more character spaces.

What I want from you is good for both NCsoft and the loyal players of Guild Wars/Factions.

Loviatar · Jul 12, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Slavik81

You still have time to fix this issue and I sincerly hope that you can fix the game in a reasonable amount of time. Hell, think of all the good PR and news on game sites you'd get for giving all people with linked Factions and Guild Wars two more character spaces.

What I want from you is good for both NCsoft and the loyal players of Guild Wars/Factions.

as a brand new player (obviously) you should know that this debate happened about 4 months ago so i hate to break it to you but this is not only a dead horse but one already 6 feet under

Slavik81 · Jul 12, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Brand new player?
No, I have a few birthday pets.

And, yes, I've read the old arguments. I'm no n00b. I searched the forums before I posted.
Though I was interested in factions, I didn't follow it's development closely. I, rightly or wrongly, assumed that the game would offer equal content regardless of whether you bought the original or not.

While this might be beating a dead horse, it serves as a reminder to NCsoft that there are still people out there who would appreciate fixing this.

Besides, the bonus for NCsoft in positive press and for Guild Wars being on the mind of the general population is of even greater value now that the release news has died. They have more incentive to reconsider.

-Loki- · Jul 12, 2006, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Wasn't this dicussed to death 3 months ago?

Slavik81 · Jul 12, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I can post in that thread, if you want, but it's bad form to bring back threads that rediculously old.

AW Lore · Jul 12, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

getting in before it gets locked

anyway, yes, this topic was debated months ago, and it ended in what it has ended, two extra slots for those who merge prophecies and factions, decision made, and i doubt theyll change it.

now, i hope this thread gets locked :wink: :wink:

Slavik81 · Jul 12, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

getting in before it gets locked

anyway, yes, this topic was debated months ago, and it ended in what it has ended, two extra slots for those who merge prophecies and factions, decision made, and i doubt theyll change it.

now, i hope this thread gets locked :wink: :wink:

Please don't lock this thread, at least not yet. I've reformed my opinion somewhat and wish to post it. I've come to the conclusion that there is no set 'main game' and no set 'expansions'. If you buy Factions first, that is your main game and the expansion, no matter which you choose will give you two extra slots. The same holds true if you buy Guild Wars first and buy Factions second. This is not unfair, as I had originally seen it as, but it remains a lesser value than I had thought.

That said, I hope you can understand my anger. I have two brothers and we each pitched in $20 to buy the $60CAD Factions... What a disappointment! Though we each got to create a factions character (we had already used 7 slots of our 8), I had been hoping to try both of the new classes, as they both intreged me.

That said, this means I won't buy a second copy of Factions. Instead, I'll buy a copy of the next expansion to add to the Factions-less account (although, the next expansion doesn't look as interesting as Factions. Here's hoping it's good.)

In the end what does this mean?
Extra character slots would be an excellent PR move for NCsoft with seemingly little downside to them (depends on how well those extra slots are selling).

That said, the game still lacks significant bonuses for those who own both the expansion and the main game.
Personally, I'd love to see the ability to modify our old characters... Maybe take them to a hair stylist for 5k with options from all the expansions you own available. That, though, is a another suggestion.
...and it already has a thread it could be posted in.

So NCsoft, even if you won't give us the extra character slots, though it's still an excellent idea, you should at least give us a few extra bonuses for being loyal fans... The birthday gifts were nice, but I'm still bitter about getting a whiptail devourer...

fiery · Jul 12, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Yes a stylist IN GAME will make all woes go away and clear skies will show, the slot thing has been talked to death.

Buying slots are to come, let ya bros chip in $5 each.

Thallandor · Jul 12, 2006, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by Slavik81

Factions has GREATLY decreased in value in my eyes. I was going to buy 2 copies of Factions (for my 2 Guild Wars accounts) and encourage all my friends who I convinced to buy Guild Wars to buy Factions, but now I can't support that.

I felt exactly those words in the first few weeks release of factions, when you cant bring yourself tell your friends to buy this game, it says more than what any gaming site can pour at you.

If you though the loss of 2 slots was bad, know that only 4+1 instead of the current 4+2 slots for those who link their copies was initially planned and the outrage saw hundreds of players fighting for that "extra" slot that was finally granted shortly before release. It has been shown from past dealings with Anet that:

You want something? Paying isnt enough, you got to be prepared to fight for it.

Sadly what does this tell you about them?

TheLordOfBlah · Jul 12, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

;(

You get it so your old characters can have access to cantha, but only 2 extra slots (enough for both professions)

or

you get 4 slots, on a separate account leaving your old characters in Tyria.

I can see that as a fair trade off personally because I dont look at it as how many new characters you get to create, but how many characters will get to have access to cantha. 6 or 4? hmm...

Am I the only one who sees the logic in this? I feel like im unconciously on drugs or something because nobody seems to agree with me on this.

Sjeng · Jul 12, 2006, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Yep, this was an old topic, but I also felt the urge to again mention it, in this discussion about storage.

In the past I sent an email to NCsoft for an explanation. this was their response:

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Hello,

Thank you for getting back to us.

By having this two slots you will be able to keep everything you earned up till now, while by creating a new account you will start from the beginning in the new world. However, your feedback and suggestions are important to us. Posting suggestions and feedback on fansite forums is one of the best ways to make sure that the developers see them.

uhh. yeah.. I already knew that... It wasn't my question. Let's try again:

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Thank you for getting back to us.

The fact that "only" 2 characters slots are provided when you link Prophecies and Factions together is a decision made by the developpers team. Unfortunatly, we can not give you further explanation. On the other hand, you will be able purchase additional character slots for your Guild Wars account beginning this summer for £5.99 (€8.99). Each new slot will enable you to add a new character to your account with full access to all of the content your current characters enjoy. Stay tuned on http://uk.guildwars.com/ to know the latest news.

Please feel free to contact the support team again if you encounter any other problems.

Their purpose is to make money then. Well, obviously. Maybe not the most satisfactory reply, but an understandable one...

majoho · Jul 12, 2006, 10:45 AM // 10:45

As someone else mentioned, basically you trade 2 char slots for being able to use ALL your chars in both chapters

It IS a fair tradeoff, since factions is NOT an expansion it's a seperate game - if it had been an expansion (without the starter island) you would probably not have gotten any new slots at all.

Sjeng · Jul 12, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

It's generally called Chapter 2. imo that IS an expansion, that can be installed as a seperate game as well, only because that's just a smart marketing move.

majoho · Jul 12, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by Sjeng

It's generally called Chapter 2. imo that IS an expansion, that can be installed as a seperate game as well, only because that's just a smart marketing move.

Sure but then again your opinion counts for exatly nothing

And I wouldn't say it's just a smart marketing move, a lot of people not having chap 1 are buying factions, if it was an expansion they would HAVE to buy chap 1 as well.

So basically factions being a seperate game means new people get it cheeper and old users having chap 1 sees it as an expensive expansion.

I think it's the best way Anet could do it, sure they could have offered factions as both a seperate game and as an expansion (for less money) but then you wouldn't have gotten any extra char slots at all.

Markaedw · Jul 12, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

OP, it's done, you now have 2 options

1. get over it
2. move on to a new game